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Where do you put Freeza's second form?
Topic Started: May 18 2018, 11:47 AM (991 Views)
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May 18 2018, 03:06 PM
This "several times" quote you're talking about must be a dub-ism or something, because I'm not seeing it in either the directly-translated Strength Checker quotes or even Viz's translation. Embellishing something to say it's increasing "several time" over or "exponentially" is exactly the type of confusing exaggeration you tend to hear in the dub, even in Kai now and then.


Anyway, since everybody's doing it and I want to be one of the cool kids...

Freeza (2nd form): 1,100,000
-- Power-Up 1: 1,300,000
-- Power-Up 2: 1,500,000
3rd Form: 2,000,000
Piccolo: 1,500,000

Pretty straightforward, almost boringly so.
Piccolo should still be above Freeza's 2nd Form Full Power because he explicitly asked him to transform again. He wouldn't have that sort of confidence if his power was equal to the most powerful 2nd Form Freeza.
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I have 2nd form frieza anywhere from 1,000,000 to (being generous) 1,100,000

Frieza has been around a while and has clocked his own power through scouters, best to take his word for it. Plus his 2nd form being 2,000,000 seems like way to big of a jump considering how well goku kept up with 4th form
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May 19 2018, 12:53 PM
Piccolo should still be above Freeza's 2nd Form Full Power because he explicitly asked him to transform again. He wouldn't have that sort of confidence if his power was equal to the most powerful 2nd Form Freeza.
That must be yet another dub-ism (or at least a Toei-ism), because there's no such line in the manga. In fact, it was the opposite... Piccolo had no idea that Freeza even could transform, until Freeza actually informed him and then immediately did it.
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May 19 2018, 07:45 PM
Emmeth
May 19 2018, 12:53 PM
Piccolo should still be above Freeza's 2nd Form Full Power because he explicitly asked him to transform again. He wouldn't have that sort of confidence if his power was equal to the most powerful 2nd Form Freeza.
That must be yet another dub-ism (or at least a Toei-ism), because there's no such line in the manga. In fact, it was the opposite... Piccolo had no idea that Freeza even could transform, until Freeza actually informed him and then immediately did it.
Regardless of that, he was still confident. You think he'd be confident in beating Freeza if he was even with him?
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Piccolo doesn't have to be stronger to be confident in his ability to win. The anime actually shows an unweighted Piccolo fighting, and while he does have the upper hand thanks to his speed, he can't actually put him down, so I think it's fair to say Piccolo and Second Form Freeza are equal.
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May 19 2018, 08:25 PM
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May 19 2018, 12:53 PM
Piccolo should still be above Freeza's 2nd Form Full Power because he explicitly asked him to transform again. He wouldn't have that sort of confidence if his power was equal to the most powerful 2nd Form Freeza.
That must be yet another dub-ism (or at least a Toei-ism), because there's no such line in the manga. In fact, it was the opposite... Piccolo had no idea that Freeza even could transform, until Freeza actually informed him and then immediately did it.
Regardless of that, he was still confident. You think he'd be confident in beating Freeza if he was even with him?
Actually, he was only confident in his speed once Frieza transformed again.
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Frieza transformed because he needed

Hence


Frieza third form > piccolo > frieza second max ~ piccolo with clothes on

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I find it hard to believe Piccolo without weights would be equal to Frieza's 2nd Form max. I think he'd be a bit above. He was too confident not to be.
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Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P10.4, P11.2-4
Context: after second form Freeza beats Piccolo up, and Piccolo finally removes his weights
Piccolo: “Me too. I’ll get serious…”
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Freeza: “Are you saying you weren’t serious before? Kukkukkuh…I didn’t know Namekians told jokes…”
Piccolo: “You’ll see soon enough.”
Kuririn: “Even at a time like this, Pi-Piccolo was fighting with that heavy turban and mantle…!”

Chapter: 302 (DBZ 108), P7.5
Freeza: “So you’ve lightened yourself up by removing that heavy equipment, huh?...Meaning that you’ve sharpened your speed even further…Looks like you’re pretty confident…”

Chapter: 302 (DBZ 108), P9.4
Piccolo: “Damn him! You may be more powerful, but I’m faster! You couldn’t catch up to me even if you spent your entire lifetime!”
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May 19 2018, 09:06 PM
Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P10.4, P11.2-4
Context: after second form Freeza beats Piccolo up, and Piccolo finally removes his weights
Piccolo: “Me too. I’ll get serious…”
[ ]
Freeza: “Are you saying you weren’t serious before? Kukkukkuh…I didn’t know Namekians told jokes…”
Piccolo: “You’ll see soon enough.”
Kuririn: “Even at a time like this, Pi-Piccolo was fighting with that heavy turban and mantle…!”

Chapter: 302 (DBZ 108), P7.5
Freeza: “So you’ve lightened yourself up by removing that heavy equipment, huh?...Meaning that you’ve sharpened your speed even further…Looks like you’re pretty confident…”

Chapter: 302 (DBZ 108), P9.4
Piccolo: “Damn him! You may be more powerful, but I’m faster! You couldn’t catch up to me even if you spent your entire lifetime!”
Wait, so Piccolo wasn't even equal. He was weaker?
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Don't take those quotes at face value. Feats also plays a part.
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Freeza is in his third form when he says Piccolo should be faster without his weights.
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Piccolo never said Freeza powered up by multiple times. Freeza's 2nd form is above a million, but i don't think he is even near 2 millions after he power ups twice. He's probably at 1.4 mil or so.
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Second Form Frieza(Initial): 1,060,000

Second Form Frieza(Powered Up): 1,200,000

Piccolo(Weighted): 1,250,000

Second Form Frieza(Full Power): 1,400,000

Piccolo: 1,500,000
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I'd say one million, as that's what the storywriters wanted us to know. Piccolo's line about his power increasing by several times is probably anime filler. (I grew up watching the anime, but looking back, they did have a lot of excess dialogue that did not make sense).
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